Former Capital Group manager talks about his new fund, why he doesn’t feel the need for wide ‘coverage’ and why he’s looking at $3 bn to $5 bn companies as his sweet spot
Compound Equity Group (CEG) was founded in 2024 and seeks high-conviction, long-term ideas in global equities. The founder and portfolio manager in charge, Jonathan Knowles, spent more than30 years managing money at Capital Group. At his time of retirement in December 2024, he was in charge of some $50 bn in assets and was the chief investment officer of the firm’s $70 bn small-cap fund – the largest such fund in the world.
CEG has recently raised $500 mn in capital and is deploying a very long-term, highly concentrated approach: to have 20 to 25 investments with some positions around 10 percent of the fund, turning over only 10-15 percent.
Starting out in a different universe – with an undergraduate degree in Veterinary Science and a PhD in Immunovirology from Liverpool University, UK, where he was a Welcome Foundation Research Scholar before earning his MBA from INSEAD, in France – Knowles delivered exceptional results at Capital. During his tenure at the firm, he grew assets in the global fund by more than 11 times over 19 years, achieving returns substantially ahead of inflation and the relevant global index. As the principal investment officer of the Small Company World Fund (SCWF), a mutual fund investing in small companies globally, Knowles helped grow assets to $74 bn, with SCWF taking home the Lipper Award for best 10-year results in its category every year from 2013 to 2017, and again in 2020.
In 2024, Knowles founded CEG with a view to managing his family assets. His investment style has a strong emphasis on a business’ defensive moat, growth potential, certainty and incremental return on capital.
How did you move from veterinary science to fund management and has your science background served you well over the years as an investor?
At Capital, I had a reputation for hiring very numerate people, often with a science, engineering or a maths background. At CEG, I’d like four out of five analysts with that kind of background. I’m very keen on people who are very, very numerate. Also, I need people who can be objective and think for themselves. I favor investors with profound comfort with uncertainty on the one hand, yet a degree of paranoia, on the other. You need to be able to tolerate uncertainty, yet you need to have a process and stick with it. There will inevitably be moments where the investment world will profoundly disagree with you and you need to either be reasonably confident you’re right or you will capitulate at exactly the wrong time. The paranoia permits you to constantly re-evaluate what you’re doing and try to work out whether you’ve got things right.
There’s a lot of numbers involved in what we do and it’s very helpful to be able to process those numbers. Numbers speak to you – they convey a message:Is this a good business? Is this a bad business? How much capital does this business need to grow?
What drove you to set up your own firm?
I was at Capital a long time (1992-2024) and really enjoyed it but, ideally, I’d like to carry on investing for another 20 years. My challenge now is to try to invest in my personal wealth, which I need to do this with great humility. I’m acutely conscious that I’m not in the privileged position I was at Capital, where I had an outstanding team of global analysts feeding me ideas. I’m also acutely conscious that many really good fund managers with great records have tried and failed at a second career. I’ve studied those reasons for failure and I will endeavor to assiduously avoid them. Important considerations are the people we hire, the culture and the process.
CEG can invest globally, what’s the geographic split?
We’re trying to find a spread of good businesses around the world. And then, invest in them and be patient.
I’ve been a very big investor in emerging markets historically. But emerging markets are extremely difficult. One of the many challenges, is they tend to have depreciating currencies so you really need to find businesses that have a return on capital that’s quite a bit higher than the currency depreciates.
The US market must seem quite tame in comparison to emerging markets?
I like good governance at both a sovereign level – law and order, good judiciary and reasonable accounting – and at a company level. At the company level, we’re looking for competent and honest management. Management that is smart enough to deploy capital well and build and maintain a resilient moat. One of the challenges with the US market is share-based compensation, which can be egregious.
What about sector diversification?
We’re just trying to find businesses that go up over time, but I want a bit of a spread because I don’t want to put it all on black. We’re seeking companies that can deploy capital at reasonable rates of return and generate a bit of top line.
Discuss your investment style
We seek wide moats, dominant niches and companies that reinvest their cash flow at medium to high incremental rates of return – and ideally have a long runway for growth (recall the firm is called Compound!). We pay a lot of attention to certainty. What do we really know and how certain are we? We try to make relatively few solid decisions.
We try to avoid overstretched valuations and we favor liquidity. We aim for honest and meritocratic management who are ideally moderately competent.
Do you have a minimum market cap?
The reality is that $2 bn feels like a good low end. We’re an open-ended fund, so it’s very important that people can sell the fund if they want to. We might go lower on occasion but not often.
Excluding yourself, CEG has three portfolio managers, one who focuses on industrials, one on healthcare and consumer and another on technology, what about coverage of other sectors?
I have a slight aversion to the word ‘coverage’ because all we need is 20-25 investments in stocks that are going to do well. We don’t need to ‘cover’ everything (which is how a typical Wall Street firm looks at things).
One of the things I like to do is go back and look at what have been the best stocks over the last 10 years. And what did we know about them 10 years earlier?
Very often those stocks were completely or partially off the radar. How many people were discussing Nvidia a decade ago?
Thirty years ago, companies like Google, Meta, Tesla didn’t exist. You need to be constantly looking around for the next companies that are going to devour companies that exist now. Obviously, the big theme at present is artificial intelligence (AI). We’re trying to think about what AI is going to destroy just as much as what it’s going to create. I suspect AI will dramatically alter the legal profession, accountancy, coding, call centers.
Which screens do you use?
We use a lot of screens, which helps generate ideas in the $3 bnto$5 bn range. I hope we can make that our sweet spot. It is much easier to double or quadruple a $3 bn company than a $500 bn company.
Do you consider ESG when investing?
One of the big fallacies about ESG is that it’s new. ESG has been around for 30 years. Let’s take ‘E’ – I’ve been avoiding businesses with environmental liabilities for an eternity.
On ‘S,’ my definition is a merit-based company. It doesn’t matter what you look like or what you do with your personal life, I do not dwell on it. I want to be invested in companies where talent and hard work ascends: a merit-based company.
As for governance, the G part of ESG, I’m very focused on it – it’s a must.
What’s your average holding period?
[We currently have a] 10-15 percent turnover. It will be a little higher initially as we get settled.
What’s your view on capital allocation: dividends vs buybacks for example?
The most important thing is that free cash flow is redeployed to grow the business wherever possible. After that, if there’s some cash flow left, [we favor] buybacks or dividends depending on the stock price.
Can you share some fund performance figures?
It’s too early yet – I’m going to give myself five years to deliver returns that are substantially ahead of inflation.
In my 32 years of investing, I have made multiple mistakes or just been out of favor. The global fund I ran, compounded over 14.6 percent in dollar terms for 19 years but it was not a smooth vertical chart up. I will undoubtedly have years where I lag the returns of the market.
Can we focus on some of your larger holdings and why you invested?
Copart is a good example of a company where you need to be patient. After its third quarter, the market got terribly upset because revenue growth was a bit below what it wanted. After its fourth quarter, the market loved the company again because revenue growth was a bit above what it wanted. And you couldn’t have anticipated either of those quarters.
That aside, I like the family ownership as families tend to make very long-term decisions, but it’s also listed, so it has the pressures of public ownership. There are multiple drivers. The company deals with insurance companies on cars that have been written off. It collects the cars and processes them: you need big scrapyards to do this and nobody wants a scrap yard next to them – so that is a significant entry barrier. Copart processes more than 2 mn vehicles annually via online auctions operating from 200 locations in 11 countries. It’s a global business: if you want parts for a Toyota Rav 4 and you’re a Nigerian auto dealer, you can log on to Copart’s website and, via an online auction, buy yourself a scrapped RAV 4 car that’s been written off in the US. it’s global arbitrage really. Revenues are driven by miles driven, which are rising; the accident rate, which is also rising as drivers are increasingly distracted; and salvage rates, which are rising as scrap values go up. Copart has compounded revenues at 14 percent in US dollars for the last decade. The balance sheet is excellent. It’s a stock I like but I’d like it cheaper than it is!
How has corporate access changed since being at Capital?
At Capital I had the luxury of seeing just about any company in the world. It was the greatest calling card you could have. At CEG, I’m insistent that we’re incredibly well prepared for every meeting. And we’re very focused: we only need 20-25 ideas.
Why should companies meet you?
We’re very long term and we’re very patient. We won’t sell the first time there’s a hiccup in their share price. Indeed, we’ll probably buy if we if we understand the hiccup. We would like to have constructive relationships with 20-25 companies and we won’t waste their time as we’ll be very well prepared.
And we try to be excellent custodians of our clients’ money.
I’d add that I have some grey hair! I’m always struck when I go to investment conferences that I’m probably one of the very oldest people there. I feel so many young investors are under such intense pressure and they take that pressure out on management, often inappropriately in my opinion.
This interview was also published in IR Impact and can be accessed here : IR Impact